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so this isn't anything that just is

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hi everyone and welcome back to that ufo

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podcast it's a review of a documentary

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and we haven't done one of these for a

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dan welcome back fresh off of recording

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our first recording for weeks and weeks

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and weeks we're doing

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that

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100 yeah shaking the rust off um a tear

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in the sky dan was announced some time

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ago and the documentary from the team at

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uapx well i say the team at uapx or was

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it all caroline corey that depends on

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how you feel after the opening minutes

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of this documentary but a tear in the

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sky nonetheless is brought to you

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in my opinion by the team you apx gary

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verhees kevin day jeremy mcgowan and

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others there's a whole whole cast list

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involved and check out terenaskai.com

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for full details of everything we're

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going to talk about here um we were sent

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an advanced screener so thank you very

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much for to those who sort those out we

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tend to get these we just don't like to

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show off our brag about it online

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because loads of people want to see

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these things and

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desperately want to watch them more than

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us and part with our hard earned money

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for them as well so we're very fortunate

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to get them get advanced copy so we

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always appreciate it um

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caroline corey

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to be honest when this was announced to

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to understand that that's not the case

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and then caroline and her media company

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but yeah in in terms of caroline's other

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necessarily being attached to anything

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but i'm curious based on the vibes i got

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of the of how the piece was put together

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what else she's done go on enlighten me

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so i'm just going to read you a little

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bit of background so caroline corey as

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an award-winning filmmaker and the

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visionary author of best-selling books

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on consciousness science and energy

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medicine

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as a child and throughout her life corey

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has had numerous ufo account encounters

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as well as esp extra sensory and

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precognition experiences which led her

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to become deeply connected to

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existential topics the study of

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caroline corey managed to like yourself

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then i was 100 the same where i thought

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this was a uapx vehicle because we have

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that you apx wanted to get to catalina

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or other areas like that and get some

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the the footage and the data and you

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well skin walker ranch-esque and i'm

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think throughout this and like you say

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like yourself dan

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caroline corey it seems to be caroline

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civilians discussing sightings

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great cool but that's what we're here

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then the special guest uh names attract

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your attention william shatner mitchell

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anything else and it makes me wonder how

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much of the budget went that way because

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bites and god love him william shatner

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lyrics to sean michael sexy boy and

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type of character that'll live in so

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many people's memories but

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know right but not for this he isn't

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see in various different things but they

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need to be any part of this documentary

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they they detract from it they take away

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what they were trying to accomplish here

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they didn't get an extra flea camera for

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piece rather than being about uapx in

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the data and tried to make it lab out of

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skinwalker because they they have a kind

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production crew get everyone into the

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actors you can just sense how

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the worst things of skinwalker ranch the

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tv series and threw it all into this

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this documentary again it's the sort of

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stuff that people criticize when they

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see these types of pieces and it puts

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guys about what they were doing the

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equipment they had and and you know

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to documentary talking about the 2017

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gary from kevin day from kevin knows you

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kaku and shatner and caroline corey as

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often as i did um the recap of the 2004

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nimitz princeton event stephen

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greenstreet even shows up

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and for someone who recently has had so

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little interest in the ufo subject he

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certainly gets himself about the ufo

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documentaries doesn't he big shout out

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to chrissy though because she shows up

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and chrissy has just joined uh somewhere

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in the sky not too long ago and she's

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doing great with ryan over there so uh

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she does a lot of people

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a lot of people do get involved and

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that's great um

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we get to kevin d and this is where i

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maybe started enjoying it a little bit

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and it's one of the things i did enjoy

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about the documentary kevin dace talks

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about how frustrated he was and we've

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seen the emotion in the past with him as

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well that this this ended his career and

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like we talked about dan and the

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the breaking news pod about the upcoming

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if you're listening to us before the

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17th of may congressional hearings

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then you know this this ended people's

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careers it potentially took people's

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lives this you know these experiences

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and kevin can i get sat across on camera

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without any need for cgi backgrounds and

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intense music playing um

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we then cut back to caroline

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can i just take a beat here just to say

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like i'm not sure if he's listening i i

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know kevin has

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said previously that he's listening to a

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few episodes of ours and things like

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that but he he supported me in another

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way by kind of he gave out the the tic

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tac design uh mugs he said his gifts and

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i just wanted to say a big thank you uh

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and and you know it means the world that

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he enjoyed that art and and it you know

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scratched that spot for him so yeah

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thank you kevin you know that was really

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cool i remember i saw that in facebook

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and shared it with you uh

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caroline corey then announcing she

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decided to take on this challenge and

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i've got here folks peek behind the

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actor's curtain um hmm wasn't it gary

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and uapx who spearhead this

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caroline whether she means to or not

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makes out that this was all her idea and

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that she's almost hired these people to

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put this plan in motion when i think if

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you've been following you apx that you

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know this has been something they've

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been looking to do for quite some time

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yeah

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presented like that because it doesn't

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really add anything you know no again

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compared to skinwalker brandon fugal is

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paying for the whole operation but he

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doesn't keep rocking up kind of loading

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it over everyone it's a fairly even

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documentary that he's a part of you know

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he doesn't feature more

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he features less if anything

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yeah it's like him rocking up behind

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eric bard tapping him on the shoulder in

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the command center and saying so what

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are my computers saying today eric yes

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that's not the point um so it lessens

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the the importance in a way of uapx when

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this is very much their venture um for

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me and if i'm wrong someone can correct

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me but i don't think that i i would

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agree and it's a shame because there are

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a bunch of individuals you know no

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matter what you feel about the work

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that's been done in the documentary and

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stuff you know we'll see the results in

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at the seu but

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they put themselves out there to do this

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work and that deserves a massive amount

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of respect and it's a shame that they

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weren't lifted up in the way that a lot

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of us expected them to be yeah the the

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shatner sound bites come in the

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editing's pretty poor of these where

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you're you're getting

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very vague and random

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[Music]

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points that william shatner's probably

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being told to say or he's made a very

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generic statement and it's being

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inter-spliced with the video things like

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ufos are real the government have

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admitted that

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and it's like ancient aliens it's just

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an ancient aliens advocate at that point

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um

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caroline corey and william shatner have

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put turn this into pure ancient aliens

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gary and kevin being introduced to

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jeremy

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now correct me dan again if i'm wrong

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but they already had met jeremy before

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this and there's a whole

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handshake that goes on and hi yeah nice

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to meet you totally unnecessary yeah

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that that serves

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that serves no one again it looks like

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caroline's brought her friend jeremy

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along who has this car that i don't know

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if she's going to claim that she also

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paid in finance that which we know is

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definitely not true no i mean you know

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jeremy's made that through blood sweat

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and tears and literally fire um

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you know he's

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put that together himself and again it

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would be nice to see that lifted up

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because those efforts are the efforts

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that we need from people now you know

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jeremy did put the the osiris together

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which is an incredible piece of kit um

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did he also design the graphic down on

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the side of it

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no he didn't and and thank you to the

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producers in this film for for not

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blocking any of my work out because it

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features in quite a few scenes kind of

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on the back of laptops and things like

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that so yeah that insignia was really

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cool

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and it was dan that designed that folks

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just for anyone but that's something

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obviously we when we spoke to jeremy

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some time ago on the podcast along with

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sean at the time and that we talked

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about as well so go back and check that

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one out if you haven't heard things have

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moved on and changed a lot since then

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but still worth listening to that one um

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gary and kevin talk about the south part

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of catalina island being an area they

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really want to focus on right this is

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another about what i feel we've we've

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seen a bit about kevin talking about his

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experiences the emotion how it changed

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his career and ended his career i really

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enjoyed that

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cuts away all the nonsense back to gary

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and kevin again i'm invested because

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they're talking about the south part of

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catalina uh catalina islands being an

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area they want to focus on something

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we've talked about several times on the

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podcast as well dan is it's a hot spot

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that people are very interested in

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something potentially being housed or

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based or very much present under the

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water there or at least using that part

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of the water for for unknown reasons and

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the team talk about data collection

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optical thermal acoustic and more types

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of data they can collect and at this

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point i'm thinking okay good we're

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finally getting into the reason i

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thought i was watching this documentary

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if this is what you apx has been talking

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about for a long time we're going to get

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to see them putting their plan into

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action

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did you laugh when so my notes basically

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kind of say about the stage scenes and

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it finishes kind of saying clearly this

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is very skinwalker and then the next

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note is oh travis taylor's just popped

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up uh i i actually thought he was

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beneficial to this because he broke

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things down you could kind of see the

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experience he had with playing to an

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audience stop reading my notes so yeah

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i'll get to that in a second right i've

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almost got the same word for word

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just before that just before travis

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taylor turns up

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kevin day says that he wants to prove

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these objects are real

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foundable and that they are knowable

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um

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and he says we can know what they are

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dan i want to ask you

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is there potential that as a species and

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where we are right now that

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we can't know what these are i knew you

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were gonna ask that and yeah absolutely

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there's every possibility that

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we literally can never see or experience

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an interaction with whatever they are we

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might see the vehicle that they're in

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but they could just be unknowable to us

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forever

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you know like i said um

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the lack of a fingerprint could end up

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being their fingerprint yeah

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it's that fish analogy again isn't it of

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the fish and we're the fashion we can

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see the bottom of the shiny boat and you

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can see the light around it yeah and the

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refraction of the bottom of the boat and

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you don't know what's on top of it you

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don't know what's inside of it and as a

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fish you literally

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physically can't get up and into the

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boat but you can get up close to it and

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you can bounce off it and maybe the

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propeller catches you and injures you

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but it does make me wonder though

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because at a certain point you know

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there's a creature in the ocean that

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sees that fish and evolution kind of

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starts pushing it towards being able to

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get on the boat and live there and it

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goes on to land and you know there's

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there's an argument that to be made that

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now we're a kind of a spacefaring

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species and we're pushing towards the

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bottom of the oceans that our

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perceptions are opening up and more of

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us than ever are kind of encountering

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odd things that are out there because

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our perceptions are changing there is

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every possibility of that it's very

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interesting

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yeah i just thought that was a really

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nice quote from kevin and i'm guessing

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he wasn't paid the same as mitch okay

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william to see it either so i mean kevin

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knows that these things have an

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electromagnetic signature

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to him that's knowable you know he can

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see it on his screen um yeah and define

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it um

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he he knows that that signature doesn't

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belong to anything else

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that is in the human-made inventory as

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far as he knows uh so so yeah i'd say

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that he knows it in an unknowable way

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sure um on the surface they seem to have

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a lot of reasonable and pretty advanced

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equipment

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throughout the team not just the osiris

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with jeremy um i i thought that was

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really good i liked seeing the setup um

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so we developed james mason and his

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inventions

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um which we are so uh we had the the

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lightwave transmitter i thought that was

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really cool um the basically it could

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translate

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from light to sound

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sonification i believe that's called n

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back again but it could play kind of

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different radio stations essentially at

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the same time so it could broadcast

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across frequencies so

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i really kind of i made a few notes to

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kind of mention david mason here because

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this is something that i would have

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00:19:03,830 --> 00:19:02,000
loved to have seen more he like where

552
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:03,840
did he get the ideas to kind of make

553
00:19:06,789 --> 00:19:05,360
these you know like did he have an

554
00:19:09,029 --> 00:19:06,799
experience has he grown up with this

555
00:19:10,390 --> 00:19:09,039
interest he seems very very intelligent

556
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:10,400
um

557
00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:11,679
it would have been lovely to kind of

558
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:14,240
really get into that you know

559
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,480
did he make these in a garage

560
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:18,240
well it was pretty interesting stuff and

561
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,600
again just before we get to travis

562
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:21,520
taylor um i was impressed with the

563
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:23,280
equipment i wanted to see more of that

564
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:25,200
you know i was happy to see the setup of

565
00:19:27,909 --> 00:19:26,400
it you know

566
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:27,919
what they were doing why they were doing

567
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,960
it they they cut to dave altman uh and

568
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,880
he spots what

569
00:19:37,029 --> 00:19:34,640
what seems to be a plane and there's a

570
00:19:38,390 --> 00:19:37,039
few occasions during the documentary and

571
00:19:40,669 --> 00:19:38,400
whether it is

572
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:40,679
the dramatization or

573
00:19:44,230 --> 00:19:42,640
misidentification or just the way it's

574
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,240
presented

575
00:19:49,590 --> 00:19:46,880
we get quite a lot of

576
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,600
shots and moments where we're looking at

577
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:51,280
a whole lot of nothing

578
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:53,120
the way it's being presented

579
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:54,960
and it's doing that oh would you look at

580
00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,919
that there's a light in the sky yeah i'm

581
00:20:02,549 --> 00:19:59,840
i'm gonna i'm gonna tell a story about

582
00:20:05,190 --> 00:20:02,559
the first firefly i ever saw in colombia

583
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,200
um and and it caused a ruckus a bunch of

584
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:07,039
us had never seen one there was a single

585
00:20:10,630 --> 00:20:09,200
firefly and it kind of messes with your

586
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,640
perception because you feel like it's

587
00:20:15,669 --> 00:20:13,280
it's you know bigger and further away uh

588
00:20:17,270 --> 00:20:15,679
than it actually is and it kind of

589
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:17,280
covers ground in a way that you you just

590
00:20:20,789 --> 00:20:18,559
think it's going faster than it is

591
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,799
because of that depth perception issue

592
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:21,840
but

593
00:20:25,750 --> 00:20:24,400
for i would say a good five minutes in

594
00:20:27,750 --> 00:20:25,760
colombia a whole bunch of us were

595
00:20:29,110 --> 00:20:27,760
transfixed by this light in the sky in

596
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:29,120
the forest that was jumping around and

597
00:20:32,390 --> 00:20:30,640
we were just like what the hell is this

598
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,400
and it took us ages and eventually we

599
00:20:35,990 --> 00:20:34,480
figured out it was a firefly

600
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,000
and i i don't know if this is going to

601
00:20:39,510 --> 00:20:37,919
be in the documentary but i have the

602
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:39,520
footage in the moment where i kind of

603
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,720
saw it against the moonlight and the

604
00:20:44,870 --> 00:20:42,320
wings flapping and just realized oh i

605
00:20:47,110 --> 00:20:44,880
see my first firefly but

606
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:47,120
this moment reminded me of that

607
00:20:50,950 --> 00:20:49,039
that it would have been cool to see them

608
00:20:53,029 --> 00:20:50,960
just debunk themselves instead of play

609
00:20:55,990 --> 00:20:53,039
this up but i wonder if that's to do

610
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:56,000
with you know maybe if you apx had had

611
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:57,440
creative control over this film they

612
00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,720
just wouldn't have included that bit at

613
00:21:01,909 --> 00:21:00,640
all because they concluded that actually

614
00:21:04,149 --> 00:21:01,919
it was prosec it was a plane or

615
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,159
something so dan you know what see for

616
00:21:08,070 --> 00:21:06,240
me and when it comes to phenomenology

617
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,080
i've said to you i will review it fairly

618
00:21:11,430 --> 00:21:09,760
and honestly and if i don't like it i'll

619
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:11,440
say you know what i've got issues with

620
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:12,960
it if i love it i'll say that and i'll

621
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:14,559
i'll pick it apart the way i do anything

622
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:16,640
else because it's only fair

623
00:21:21,909 --> 00:21:19,360
let's use that example then for me

624
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,919
you have a moment which is interesting

625
00:21:26,549 --> 00:21:24,720
and can be quite fun and as a viewer i'm

626
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:26,559
more than happy to see that

627
00:21:31,350 --> 00:21:27,360
see

628
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:31,360
think might be anomalous given what

629
00:21:35,110 --> 00:21:33,280
you're out there filming you're you're

630
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,120
hoping and looking for something so

631
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:38,320
there's a bias there good or bad 100

632
00:21:40,870 --> 00:21:39,679
however

633
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:40,880
if you

634
00:21:42,549 --> 00:21:41,679
show

635
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:42,559
the

636
00:21:51,430 --> 00:21:49,120
out actually this is what it is here's

637
00:21:53,029 --> 00:21:51,440
how we made a mistake it's the depth ah

638
00:21:55,430 --> 00:21:53,039
right okay and you you get that moment

639
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,440
of like you say self-debunking and right

640
00:21:59,350 --> 00:21:57,200
actually it was a firefly that helps

641
00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:59,360
people because other folks can say you

642
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:00,880
know what fair enough they're not just

643
00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:03,760
out to to misidentify and misrepresent

644
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:04,960
what they saw

645
00:22:08,789 --> 00:22:06,799
but what seems to have happened here is

646
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,799
if you take that same scene done

647
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,039
that you see the firefly and all of a

648
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,559
sudden we hear doo doo

649
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,880
doo doo doo doo doo and some intense

650
00:22:18,789 --> 00:22:16,880
drums start playing and then the camera

651
00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,799
starts shaking back and forward and

652
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,320
travis taylor pops up in the background

653
00:22:24,549 --> 00:22:22,559
going oh my god what is that

654
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,559
and you start getting this really fake

655
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:27,039
intense scene and then it cuts off

656
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:29,280
before you tell everyone it's a firefly

657
00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:30,159
sure

658
00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:31,039
that

659
00:22:37,270 --> 00:22:35,120
you're misrepresenting exactly what

660
00:22:39,190 --> 00:22:37,280
happened and i feel that goes on quite a

661
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,200
lot and that's where they're looking for

662
00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:41,760
footage to be anomalous

663
00:22:46,310 --> 00:22:44,240
i think it happens a lot in dr steven

664
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,320
greer's documentaries at times where

665
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,480
they'll show things and they'll present

666
00:22:53,270 --> 00:22:50,720
it as anomalous and it's not but and

667
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:53,280
again in the same way that fox cnn

668
00:22:56,470 --> 00:22:55,360
whatever the news station might be will

669
00:22:59,029 --> 00:22:56,480
show

670
00:23:01,750 --> 00:22:59,039
well-known fakes or hoxxes or you know

671
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:01,760
the apple apps that you can make a ufo

672
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,000
and we've seen those on the on on the

673
00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:05,760
live news with millions of people

674
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,360
watching it and it's just like oh come

675
00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:10,320
on so yeah that that was disappointing

676
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:11,520
to me

677
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:12,960
and i don't think there's any need for

678
00:23:17,590 --> 00:23:15,120
it have the conversation oh it could be

679
00:23:19,029 --> 00:23:17,600
a plane it could be this but you've got

680
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:19,039
tens of thousands of dollars worth of

681
00:23:22,310 --> 00:23:20,640
equipment round about you

682
00:23:24,710 --> 00:23:22,320
that caroline corey's bought for you

683
00:23:26,390 --> 00:23:24,720
apparently you know use it and tell us

684
00:23:28,950 --> 00:23:26,400
why these things are what they are or

685
00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,960
why they might not be what they are um

686
00:23:33,029 --> 00:23:31,200
that brings in travis taylor i did a

687
00:23:34,710 --> 00:23:33,039
very slight eye roll when i saw travis

688
00:23:36,390 --> 00:23:34,720
get involved because

689
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:36,400
he's a big part of the skinwalker ranch

690
00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,280
series but it's a known fact that travis

691
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:40,880
has been on other documentaries and

692
00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:43,600
shows of that type because as much as he

693
00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:45,760
has a scientist he's also very

694
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,760
charismatic and knows how to play to a

695
00:23:51,269 --> 00:23:49,600
camera he's very good at being the guy

696
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:51,279
who shows up and

697
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,720
you know i don't think anything's going

698
00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:54,240
on here but by the end of the episode

699
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:55,760
he's fully bought into the mystery and

700
00:24:00,070 --> 00:23:58,159
the intrigue and he pulls the viewer in

701
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,080
in that sense it's his job and the

702
00:24:04,549 --> 00:24:01,760
history channel

703
00:24:06,549 --> 00:24:04,559
put him on skinwalker ranch as the show

704
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,559
that wasn't one that brandon you know my

705
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,320
mate travis it was no no we want this

706
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,559
guy involved anyway

707
00:24:15,190 --> 00:24:12,320
like you said dan travis taylor does a

708
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:15,200
very good job of playing almost playing

709
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,480
dumb when he clearly knows what this

710
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,120
equipment does he breaks it down and

711
00:24:22,630 --> 00:24:20,720
like you see he talks about the one of

712
00:24:24,950 --> 00:24:22,640
the was it the same piece of equipment

713
00:24:26,710 --> 00:24:24,960
that he mentions oh so it filters out

714
00:24:28,710 --> 00:24:26,720
all the signals in the background so you

715
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,720
can get a really good look he knows that

716
00:24:32,149 --> 00:24:30,240
but he's telling you the viewer and

717
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:32,159
that's something that i need i'm like ah

718
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:34,159
okay so that's what that does and he

719
00:24:39,029 --> 00:24:36,400
gives you a nice simple context as to

720
00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:39,039
how this very special very fancy very

721
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:41,120
advanced equipment works and how it's

722
00:24:46,549 --> 00:24:43,520
going to be used in this documentary so

723
00:24:49,510 --> 00:24:46,559
i like that i appreciated that yeah i

724
00:24:50,950 --> 00:24:49,520
agree it was it was good to see you you

725
00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:50,960
know when when he was against people

726
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,480
that just aren't used to that

727
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,320
environment uh you you could see how

728
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:56,240
easy he was and and the benefits that he

729
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:57,919
brought to a production

730
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:59,600
he was a bit of a mesh wasn't he for

731
00:25:03,909 --> 00:25:01,760
bringing it together and i i liked that

732
00:25:04,870 --> 00:25:03,919
and no issues that that was a good use

733
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:04,880
of travis

734
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,400
and there were some lovely shots of the

735
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:08,080
area it's a beautiful beautiful

736
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,320
picturesque area and the skies the

737
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:12,000
filming of the nighttime stakeouts i

738
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:13,679
thought was really cool i would love to

739
00:25:17,750 --> 00:25:15,840
see like actually i i don't want to see

740
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,760
it now but at the time seeing this for

741
00:25:21,430 --> 00:25:19,679
the first time in like 4k you know

742
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:21,440
resolution would have been lovely if you

743
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:23,039
could have got that nice nighttime shot

744
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:24,880
and everything as well thinking like

745
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,760
michael mann collateral style filming

746
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:29,360
would have been nice like the depth in

747
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,960
the backgrounds and stuff shout out to

748
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:32,640
anyone who has seen collateral with tom

749
00:25:36,549 --> 00:25:34,480
cruise and jamie foxx great movie

750
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:36,559
phenomenal movie uh

751
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,880
michael hall says that they've picked up

752
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,240
some uap

753
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:42,640
and the data they have collected shows

754
00:25:47,909 --> 00:25:44,880
no sound it doesn't activate their

755
00:25:50,710 --> 00:25:47,919
fisheye system um but it shows on one

756
00:25:52,789 --> 00:25:50,720
camera but not on another and i thought

757
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:52,799
this was interesting but i wanted to ask

758
00:25:55,269 --> 00:25:53,760
you dan

759
00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:55,279
with no i've not given you this

760
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,440
beforehand did you have any thoughts at

761
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,279
the time watching it of what that could

762
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:01,279
be and why something would show up on

763
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:07,590
so i i mean you might predict this but i

764
00:26:11,430 --> 00:26:10,320
would invoke hesta um and earth lights

765
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,440
and things like that they they were

766
00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:12,720
literally tracked

767
00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,640
going from you know visible light into

768
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:17,120
non-visible light um and and they move

769
00:26:20,630 --> 00:26:19,120
essentially from one camera screen

770
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:20,640
to the other um

771
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:22,480
as they kind of move from through the

772
00:26:27,510 --> 00:26:25,600
spectrum so it could be a similar

773
00:26:28,710 --> 00:26:27,520
phenomena that they're seeing there you

774
00:26:29,830 --> 00:26:28,720
know you can see it on radar but you

775
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,840
can't see it with your eyes or you can

776
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:30,960
see it with your eyes but it doesn't

777
00:26:33,750 --> 00:26:32,159
show up on the flea because it doesn't

778
00:26:36,149 --> 00:26:33,760
have a temperature and there there are

779
00:26:37,590 --> 00:26:36,159
all these kind of oddities that add up

780
00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:37,600
to a kind of

781
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,520
low observability which is one of the

782
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:41,840
five observables right but that's still

783
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,000
something potentially anomalous so you

784
00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:45,360
were quite happy when you saw that and

785
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:47,520
how it was presented because for me i

786
00:26:51,669 --> 00:26:49,200
was like oh that is quite interesting

787
00:26:52,390 --> 00:26:51,679
but are there going to be people sitting

788
00:26:54,710 --> 00:26:52,400
there

789
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,720
shouting at their tvs going no that'll

790
00:26:59,590 --> 00:26:57,279
just be this or just be this but if it

791
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:59,600
is that sort of light phenomena then

792
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:01,520
yeah okay it's potentially something

793
00:27:04,630 --> 00:27:03,520
pretty cool

794
00:27:06,149 --> 00:27:04,640
this is kind of the trouble with the

795
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,159
nature of the beast you know this

796
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,600
documentary

797
00:27:11,590 --> 00:27:09,360
the data and the review of the data is

798
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:11,600
coming later i almost wish they'd held

799
00:27:15,029 --> 00:27:13,360
off kind of finishing the documentary

800
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,039
until they could present the data

801
00:27:18,389 --> 00:27:16,480
properly and say what they'd found

802
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,399
whether it was prosaic or not you know

803
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,799
it was about the whole expedition for me

804
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,640
and kind of cutting off the end just

805
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,440
kind of i don't know it every time i saw

806
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,120
something interesting in the movie it

807
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:28,480
kind of made me a little bit sad because

808
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,000
i knew that i wasn't going to get any

809
00:27:34,230 --> 00:27:32,320
more information on it in this film

810
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,240
and and for me i think that underpins

811
00:27:37,430 --> 00:27:36,320
the difference between what uapx would

812
00:27:40,310 --> 00:27:37,440
have done

813
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,320
and what caroline corey did and wanted

814
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,279
to do

815
00:27:45,110 --> 00:27:42,640
because

816
00:27:47,510 --> 00:27:45,120
shows like ancient aliens and the like

817
00:27:49,990 --> 00:27:47,520
aren't about presenting the data and the

818
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:50,000
results it's about the speculation and

819
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,240
oh it could be this

820
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,760
and we'll leave that to your imagination

821
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,880
because you want to watch the next

822
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:56,159
episode now

823
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,360
um

824
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:59,279
objects picked up on flare are

825
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:01,200
tic-tac-looking

826
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,480
um

827
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:04,640
you know you know when someone's just

828
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,320
heard the cool term and they kind of

829
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:07,840
just repeat the talk i'm like oh they're

830
00:28:12,549 --> 00:28:10,399
tic tacs i i gotta say caroline didn't

831
00:28:14,149 --> 00:28:12,559
seem that kind of you know she was very

832
00:28:15,990 --> 00:28:14,159
nonplussed that they were possibly tic

833
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:16,000
tacs uh you know the the objects kind of

834
00:28:19,750 --> 00:28:18,159
fall into the ocean floor um it might

835
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:19,760
have been tic tacs it might not be but i

836
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,799
wouldn't have said tic tacs i would have

837
00:28:25,669 --> 00:28:22,799
said anomalous objects you know it kind

838
00:28:27,590 --> 00:28:25,679
of just speaks to trying to trying to

839
00:28:29,430 --> 00:28:27,600
get in with the kids you know

840
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:29,440
yeah it wasn't a tech tack but not quite

841
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:31,600
a saucer as the kids say and sing these

842
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:34,080
days um i thought at this point i was

843
00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:35,840
thinking it could do with a little a

844
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:38,320
better explaining of the readings being

845
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,440
picked up

846
00:28:43,350 --> 00:28:41,679
why these objects are interesting and

847
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:43,360
why they point to them potentially being

848
00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:46,000
anomalous yeah i think like you say dan

849
00:28:50,549 --> 00:28:48,960
we're getting an instantaneous

850
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:50,559
shot of a screen

851
00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,799
and then never mind the data that'll

852
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,559
come later because that might not be of

853
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,720
interest to you so let's just leave it

854
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,559
with uh it could be this and that's it's

855
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,880
that one source thing again yeah yeah

856
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:02,559
exactly and and if it's not interesting

857
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:03,760
it's not going to come up again later

858
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,600
right you know exactly i really hope

859
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:07,039
that they do just kind of say in the

860
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,320
film we said this was interesting it

861
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,760
turned out it was a plane

862
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:11,120
yeah i wanted to

863
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,840
of the flare cameras they look at um for

864
00:29:18,230 --> 00:29:16,000
me they talked about it being

865
00:29:20,549 --> 00:29:18,240
anomalous but for me it looked like a

866
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,559
bird potentially zoomed in they talk

867
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,559
about it flying along and then

868
00:29:27,510 --> 00:29:25,360
turning a little in but and again do i

869
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:27,520
sound like a mcquest here but with no

870
00:29:31,510 --> 00:29:29,279
expertise i was just looking going it

871
00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,520
looks like a bird swing and maybe it's

872
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:32,960
not that far away but they didn't

873
00:29:37,430 --> 00:29:34,880
present the data or have someone explain

874
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:37,440
it to me why this could be something

875
00:29:42,549 --> 00:29:40,399
more than just a bird flying so it lent

876
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:42,559
very much on the this is anomalous

877
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,320
because you look at it it would have

878
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,880
been that's all if maybe you know say

879
00:29:49,909 --> 00:29:48,240
there were five clips of interesting

880
00:29:51,269 --> 00:29:49,919
things throughout the film if they'd

881
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,279
labeled them and then at the end kind of

882
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,799
came back to say okay number one what

883
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:54,240
was it yeah we checked the radar we

884
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:55,360
checked this we checked whether it was a

885
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:56,480
bird and they kind of just broke them

886
00:29:59,430 --> 00:29:58,080
down and you know for better or worse if

887
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,440
they were mosaic or not it would have

888
00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:00,799
been really cool to see them just knock

889
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:02,320
those down and

890
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:04,159
yeah figure them out i mean that could

891
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:05,679
have been the end of it where they they

892
00:30:09,909 --> 00:30:07,440
go through five slides and go the first

893
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,919
four here's why it's a bird a bug a

894
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:11,200
firefly

895
00:30:14,230 --> 00:30:13,039
dan's hat getting thrown in the air

896
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:14,240
however

897
00:30:18,630 --> 00:30:17,440
doo doo doo doo doo doo slide five

898
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:18,640
slide nine

899
00:30:22,710 --> 00:30:21,200
uh and it shows you an anomalous object

900
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,720
and they go this is why we think it's

901
00:30:26,549 --> 00:30:24,880
anomalous yeah and it could end on the

902
00:30:27,909 --> 00:30:26,559
note like that and then more data to

903
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:27,919
come and that would be interesting

904
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,279
potentially but

905
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,760
they they don't go that route and

906
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:33,279
i feel towards the end of the

907
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,200
documentary is a lot of shots and

908
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,520
discussion like that um

909
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,200
at that point it seems to have run its

910
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,200
course in terms of what caroline corey's

911
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,440
looking to get out of it she uses the

912
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:45,039
line

913
00:30:51,669 --> 00:30:48,240
that they need to use scientific data to

914
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:51,679
rule out human-made advanced technology

915
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:53,600
i listened back to that about three

916
00:30:57,909 --> 00:30:55,600
times to check that it wasn't just me

917
00:31:00,630 --> 00:30:57,919
not understanding that sentence

918
00:31:03,430 --> 00:31:00,640
that you have to use scientific data to

919
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,440
rule out human-made advanced technology

920
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,600
i think i know what she's getting at but

921
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,000
that screams to me that someone who has

922
00:31:12,630 --> 00:31:10,240
thought of a really intelligent line

923
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,640
wrote it down and thought i have to get

924
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:14,320
that in there somewhere

925
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,279
and it just doesn't quite fit um doesn't

926
00:31:20,630 --> 00:31:19,440
roll off the tongue does it no

927
00:31:23,909 --> 00:31:20,640
no

928
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:23,919
think but

929
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:26,480
but no yeah like like drawing the mona

930
00:31:29,909 --> 00:31:28,880
lisa on an esther sketch yeah i can see

931
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:29,919
what you're getting at but you've done

932
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,399
it in the wrong way i you know

933
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:34,960
yeah hundred percent um

934
00:31:40,630 --> 00:31:38,320
the finale builds towards uh are now

935
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:40,640
infamous online um

936
00:31:45,669 --> 00:31:41,360
yeah

937
00:31:47,350 --> 00:31:45,679
a potential wormhole anomaly they

938
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:47,360
totally call it a wormhole in the film

939
00:31:51,350 --> 00:31:49,519
yeah they totally do and and

940
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:51,360
during the kind of the

941
00:31:55,269 --> 00:31:53,600
uap exit a post film discussion uh i'm

942
00:31:57,029 --> 00:31:55,279
gonna get to the fallout as well yeah

943
00:31:58,310 --> 00:31:57,039
sure i was just gonna say matthew does

944
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:58,320
say you know when you kind of get caught

945
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:59,440
up in the moment and you call it

946
00:32:03,029 --> 00:32:00,880
something and people pick up on it and

947
00:32:05,750 --> 00:32:03,039
he was hoping that it wouldn't get used

948
00:32:08,470 --> 00:32:05,760
in the film but unfortunately it did um

949
00:32:10,070 --> 00:32:08,480
so yeah matt shidakis was was honest

950
00:32:11,509 --> 00:32:10,080
about that and

951
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,519
you know credit to him for it it's just

952
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:13,120
a shame that people have to see the

953
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,559
post-film discussion to get that

954
00:32:17,350 --> 00:32:15,840
information

955
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,360
like when you spot a firefly in the

956
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,039
forest get excited but within a few

957
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,039
minutes realize it's it's not a uap it's

958
00:32:24,389 --> 00:32:22,960
a firefight for sure and i'll totally

959
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:24,399
show that when when the documentary

960
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,440
starts there and we're going to do some

961
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,120
kind of live after shows

962
00:32:30,470 --> 00:32:29,279
after the episodes there and yeah i'll

963
00:32:31,909 --> 00:32:30,480
show that footage

964
00:32:33,590 --> 00:32:31,919
it was cool

965
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,600
dan before we talk about a little bit of

966
00:32:36,630 --> 00:32:35,279
the fallout

967
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:36,640
overall

968
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,830
yes and very very specific reason

969
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,039
because

970
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:48,000
it shows that the floodgates are opening

971
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:50,080
in terms of being able to go out and do

972
00:32:54,070 --> 00:32:52,240
these investigations yourself yes the

973
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:54,080
equipment is expensive but it doesn't

974
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,159
mean you know you've got a high

975
00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,080
definition camera on your phone you can

976
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:00,159
film things this documentary could have

977
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,799
been made for a lot cheaper um and you

978
00:33:05,830 --> 00:33:04,000
know i've seen some of the footage from

979
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,840
colombia how it kind of looks nice but

980
00:33:09,269 --> 00:33:07,679
the depth of field and you know the

981
00:33:11,909 --> 00:33:09,279
effort they're putting into kind of

982
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,919
certain other aspects of it

983
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,440
things like this can be made to a really

984
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,080
high standard now and biden is signed

985
00:33:21,110 --> 00:33:18,640
off on everyone being okay to go do them

986
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:21,120
so i think it's really important to to

987
00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:24,799
kind of see the the first steps of

988
00:33:29,669 --> 00:33:26,960
what might be a super popular thing to

989
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,679
do in a few years um

990
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:31,519
you know forming uh

991
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:32,720
the mistakes that they make in this

992
00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:34,399
documentary will inform other

993
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,120
documentaries that are coming out easily

994
00:33:41,430 --> 00:33:39,760
yeah i would agree if you

995
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,440
if you have the

996
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,080
the spare cash it's the same it's less

997
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,480
than the cost of a takeaway or a couple

998
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,440
of beers or a couple or a few coffees

999
00:33:53,590 --> 00:33:50,720
then

1000
00:33:55,590 --> 00:33:53,600
yeah go and watch it pay to rent it or

1001
00:33:57,830 --> 00:33:55,600
pay to buy it whatever as your as your

1002
00:33:59,509 --> 00:33:57,840
kind of poison um

1003
00:34:01,430 --> 00:33:59,519
i think you'll you'll come away from it

1004
00:34:03,509 --> 00:34:01,440
frustrated but i think there are parts

1005
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,519
in there that will frustrate you in a

1006
00:34:07,029 --> 00:34:05,039
good way that you'll want to see more

1007
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:07,039
and you'll be glad for having seen them

1008
00:34:11,430 --> 00:34:09,440
people like kevin gary jeremy and others

1009
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:11,440
within the body of the documentary do a

1010
00:34:15,669 --> 00:34:14,240
good job and it's interesting to see the

1011
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,679
equipment and to see what could have

1012
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:17,520
been and it makes me want to see you

1013
00:34:22,389 --> 00:34:20,079
know if you apx can get someone else to

1014
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,399
back them next time or or do this

1015
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:24,560
themselves i get it's not cheap i would

1016
00:34:29,750 --> 00:34:27,200
i would be all in on a follow-up through

1017
00:34:31,190 --> 00:34:29,760
uepx directly um

1018
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,200
because there was some interesting stuff

1019
00:34:35,030 --> 00:34:33,119
here i'm disappointed in the way

1020
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:35,040
caroline went about it

1021
00:34:38,710 --> 00:34:36,879
the way she presented it the way it was

1022
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,720
portrayed um

1023
00:34:43,430 --> 00:34:41,040
and even if it was her money which as

1024
00:34:44,230 --> 00:34:43,440
her money sorry that she used to fund

1025
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,240
this

1026
00:34:49,750 --> 00:34:47,119
take your ego out of it and allow the

1027
00:34:52,149 --> 00:34:49,760
allow the the study and the data and the

1028
00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:52,159
science and the team to do the work

1029
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,159
and just be happy that you can make and

1030
00:34:58,390 --> 00:34:56,000
contribute to a product and getting that

1031
00:35:00,069 --> 00:34:58,400
out there because otherwise

1032
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:00,079
i'm not saying it is but it can look

1033
00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:02,320
like you're just in this to make money

1034
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:04,079
that you've just

1035
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,240
made ancient aliens or skin walker ranch

1036
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:09,040
the movie and it's out there because you

1037
00:35:12,150 --> 00:35:10,400
wanted to put william shatner and

1038
00:35:13,829 --> 00:35:12,160
mitchell kaku as sound bites in a

1039
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,839
documentary

1040
00:35:18,950 --> 00:35:15,760
they they were in in the after film

1041
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:18,960
discussion as well um

1042
00:35:22,790 --> 00:35:20,800
is that the uae

1043
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,800
yeah yeah let's let's talk about that so

1044
00:35:26,870 --> 00:35:24,880
far so afterwards yeah yeah yeah yeah i

1045
00:35:28,710 --> 00:35:26,880
was just gonna say that they they speak

1046
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,720
about the production team moving certain

1047
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:30,720
equipment once they'd set it up

1048
00:35:34,150 --> 00:35:32,720
so things like that just made me think

1049
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,160
that the the production team really

1050
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,160
didn't respect the scientific work that

1051
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,839
was going on because why would you move

1052
00:35:41,109 --> 00:35:39,520
that scientific instrument like you're

1053
00:35:42,069 --> 00:35:41,119
there to respect that and to tell people

1054
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:42,079
about that you know you're not just

1055
00:35:44,310 --> 00:35:43,359
going to really nearly move it around

1056
00:35:47,109 --> 00:35:44,320
because you want to put your camera

1057
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:47,119
there um i i think that kind of speaks

1058
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:49,200
volumes about the the attitude

1059
00:35:52,150 --> 00:35:51,119
yeah remember dan when we all went to

1060
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,160
london

1061
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,480
for that top secret super mission that

1062
00:35:59,270 --> 00:35:56,640
weekend oh yeah i remember we only made

1063
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,280
that grey yeah yeah that was a we all

1064
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:01,359
crammed until that would be airbnb

1065
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,480
um

1066
00:36:06,150 --> 00:36:04,000
and that was a good it was a good time

1067
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:06,160
we'll be doing it again soon but uh

1068
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,400
for for us sitting and setting up a

1069
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,920
camera in the sitting room with your

1070
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:12,320
background and expertise done you moved

1071
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,079
lots of lights about

1072
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,320
and you knew what you were doing

1073
00:36:20,150 --> 00:36:18,720
so we let you do it

1074
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:20,160
you had a better idea than the rest

1075
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:22,320
obviously but what i didn't do when you

1076
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,839
started moving lights about to get the

1077
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,079
optimal lighting for all of us on camera

1078
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:28,000
was go up and start moving it elsewhere

1079
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,280
and going nah i think it'll be better

1080
00:36:32,950 --> 00:36:31,520
here because i don't know what you're

1081
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:32,960
doing it for

1082
00:36:37,430 --> 00:36:35,280
and i it's not my area of expertise so i

1083
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:37,440
just left it to the expert and like you

1084
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,800
see i feel that's where they got

1085
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,560
involved when they didn't have to

1086
00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:43,280
um again fallout wise there was quite a

1087
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,760
lot very quickly after i mean actually

1088
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,440
before this was released on the third of

1089
00:36:51,430 --> 00:36:50,160
may i think on the second of may um i

1090
00:36:53,829 --> 00:36:51,440
believe it was jeremy mcgowan was

1091
00:36:55,349 --> 00:36:53,839
already commenting on certain aspects

1092
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,359
they were unhappy about

1093
00:36:58,230 --> 00:36:56,800
in terms of what was filmed and how it

1094
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:58,240
was presented

1095
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,560
caroline corey then got in defending the

1096
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:02,880
presentation saying that people agreed

1097
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,040
to everything that happened that doesn't

1098
00:37:09,030 --> 00:37:06,960
seem to be the way gary and cole felt

1099
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,040
about the overall presentation at the

1100
00:37:12,790 --> 00:37:11,520
end um i don't think it's unfair to say

1101
00:37:13,910 --> 00:37:12,800
they were disappointed with how it

1102
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:13,920
turned out

1103
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:16,240
and again i believe on the day or day

1104
00:37:22,630 --> 00:37:19,359
after release of the documentary

1105
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,640
kevin day left uapx

1106
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:24,720
that's right green and pastures

1107
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:27,119
but there's no bad blood it seems no

1108
00:37:29,910 --> 00:37:28,320
that's right yeah because i saw the

1109
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,920
conversation on facebook where kevin

1110
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,079
mentioned because of the documentary he

1111
00:37:37,270 --> 00:37:34,720
had the opportunity to join another

1112
00:37:39,349 --> 00:37:37,280
research team

1113
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,359
i thought it was odd given

1114
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,200
and i've interviewed kevin day a couple

1115
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:44,240
of times along with gary as part of uapx

1116
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,040
um that very quickly kevin has left this

1117
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:49,200
kind of passion project of his

1118
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,359
for for something else

1119
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,000
honestly i haven't seen where he's going

1120
00:37:58,710 --> 00:37:56,240
and why i don't know if you have done

1121
00:38:01,750 --> 00:37:58,720
honestly because i i genuinely haven't

1122
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,760
um it just seems very odd gary was very

1123
00:38:05,190 --> 00:38:03,280
nice and again straightaway on the

1124
00:38:06,710 --> 00:38:05,200
facebook post said you'll be solely

1125
00:38:08,390 --> 00:38:06,720
missed it's been great working with you

1126
00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:08,400
you know all the best in your new

1127
00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,839
venture

1128
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,480
it seems an odd decision by kevin

1129
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:14,800
though to

1130
00:38:27,349 --> 00:38:16,560
to do that i don't know dan it's like

1131
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:28,390
they were about to kind of hit the

1132
00:38:32,390 --> 00:38:30,240
ground running with this documentary

1133
00:38:34,310 --> 00:38:32,400
and now he's stepping away from it yeah

1134
00:38:35,589 --> 00:38:34,320
look i was doing this um

1135
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:35,599
you

1136
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:40,079
big uh

1137
00:38:44,630 --> 00:38:41,839
not rogan right because it's not joe

1138
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,640
rogan but like a reasonably decent uh

1139
00:38:47,349 --> 00:38:46,240
it's like i was going in jimmy church

1140
00:38:49,270 --> 00:38:47,359
right

1141
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:49,280
and then the next thing i know like the

1142
00:38:52,870 --> 00:38:50,880
day after you're going ah do you know

1143
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:52,880
what i'm really happy to announce i'm

1144
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,280
leaving that ufo podcast and i'm i'm off

1145
00:38:59,670 --> 00:38:57,839
to do this thing with jimmy

1146
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,680
and it's a great opportunity and it's

1147
00:39:03,030 --> 00:39:01,760
like huh literally yesterday we were

1148
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,040
doing this and

1149
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:05,200
today you're off doing

1150
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,320
this now

1151
00:39:10,150 --> 00:39:08,240
it just seems a really strange move from

1152
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:10,160
kevin ford's worth i'd never leave you

1153
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:11,760
for jimmy i felt dirty when you said

1154
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:13,200
that yeah i know you wouldn't leave me

1155
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:14,880
for german church yeah others yeah but

1156
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,680
not jimmy um but yeah i just i it seems

1157
00:39:23,030 --> 00:39:20,079
really odd very strange really strange

1158
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,040
timing and it was a crazy amount of

1159
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,960
drama all in the space of a couple of

1160
00:39:29,750 --> 00:39:26,400
days of this being released not even

1161
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:29,760
days like hours that kevin left

1162
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,920
gary's looking to take some time off the

1163
00:39:34,710 --> 00:39:33,760
documentary seems to fell flat on his

1164
00:39:36,630 --> 00:39:34,720
face

1165
00:39:38,310 --> 00:39:36,640
corey was defending the presentation of

1166
00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,320
it

1167
00:39:43,589 --> 00:39:41,280
did she go about rogue who knows but

1168
00:39:46,630 --> 00:39:43,599
ultimately yes we recommend going to

1169
00:39:48,550 --> 00:39:46,640
check it out however um

1170
00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:48,560
that's that's our honest review of it

1171
00:39:52,150 --> 00:39:50,320
and folks we won't ever lie about

1172
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:52,160
anything or even when we're given these

1173
00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,400
things i really hope any directors

1174
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:57,040
producers or people involved in the pr

1175
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,200
are are always willing to let us share

1176
00:40:04,230 --> 00:40:02,079
our honest thoughts because otherwise

1177
00:40:05,910 --> 00:40:04,240
don't send as a screener as much as we'd

1178
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,920
be disappointed not to get the chance to

1179
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:07,760
talk about these i would still pay and

1180
00:40:10,870 --> 00:40:09,520
buy them anyway but we're always going

1181
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:10,880
to be honest and we are still

1182
00:40:14,390 --> 00:40:12,160
recommending people watch it because

1183
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:14,400
like we always say make up your own mind

1184
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:16,240
don't listen to me don't listen to dan

1185
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,240
you can listen to our opinion but

1186
00:40:21,750 --> 00:40:20,400
completely make up your your own mind or

1187
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,760
anything to do with a subject because

1188
00:40:26,150 --> 00:40:23,920
you may come away from it really have

1189
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:26,160
enjoyed it and enjoy that presentation

1190
00:40:29,670 --> 00:40:28,160
it's not for me it wasn't for dan but it

1191
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:29,680
might be for you you know there are

1192
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,119
people out there that really enjoyed the

1193
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,440
demi lovato series for example and from

1194
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:35,680
a certain angle i can totally appreciate

1195
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:37,440
why that might be your window into it so

1196
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,040
so don't think that we're just saying

1197
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:41,440
that something is objectively awful um

1198
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,720
it just means that it wasn't for us but

1199
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,160
i'm glad that this got made i'm glad

1200
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,920
that it's out there as an example to

1201
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:50,240
people that they can make it um or do

1202
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:52,800
things like this and investigate uap

1203
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,680
and

1204
00:40:57,990 --> 00:40:54,400
i

1205
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:58,000
would be that

1206
00:41:01,510 --> 00:40:59,440
with all the equipment functions and

1207
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,520
everything moving around i i would say

1208
00:41:05,190 --> 00:41:03,520
that this documentary justifies why we

1209
00:41:07,030 --> 00:41:05,200
need something like the galileo project

1210
00:41:09,190 --> 00:41:07,040
with the permanent observatories all set

1211
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:09,200
up triangulating collecting data 24 7

1212
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:11,040
with full staff looking at them all the

1213
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,920
time

1214
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:13,520
yeah and and funny you say that then

1215
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,760
about the demi lovato documentary all

1216
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,119
three of the people who enjoyed it are

1217
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:19,280
on the podcast with me next week so i'm

1218
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:21,280
joking um yeah

1219
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:24,079
it's yeah but everyone has that

1220
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,040
john kales coming on next week hey

1221
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,079
um hi sean uh yeah so if you enjoyed it

1222
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,920
and it's for you brilliant there are

1223
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:33,680
other documentaries coming this year we

1224
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:36,319
know james fox moment of contact is

1225
00:41:41,670 --> 00:41:39,359
coming out in the coming months um but

1226
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:41,680
already and the aerial phenomenon

1227
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,680
documentary is out uh 20th of may

1228
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,720
dan and i have seen it and we won't

1229
00:41:52,150 --> 00:41:50,800
release our thoughts or reviews yet

1230
00:41:53,829 --> 00:41:52,160
until it's released because that's

1231
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:53,839
that's what we're asked to do um but we

1232
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,000
record the preview and review of it

1233
00:42:00,550 --> 00:41:59,040
sorry ready for when it comes out um

1234
00:42:02,470 --> 00:42:00,560
i'll just say

1235
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,480
i enjoyed it more than this

1236
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,480
yes i would agree with that that's it

1237
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:06,240
but we won't spoil anything about it but

1238
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,599
yeah i enjoyed it more than this it's

1239
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:09,839
very different um so yeah in the

1240
00:42:13,829 --> 00:42:12,480
meantime dan again good to record again

1241
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:13,839
we'll be getting back in the swing of it

1242
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:16,000
folks i i think i've said on social

1243
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:17,280
media but if you're listening to this

1244
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,040
you're not on socials i have been

1245
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,119
working at non-stop for the last now

1246
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,359
five weeks from the office it's taken up

1247
00:42:27,270 --> 00:42:25,839
kind of all my my time during the week

1248
00:42:28,790 --> 00:42:27,280
uh so it's been hard to get days and

1249
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:28,800
times to record and everything as well

1250
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,880
so and obviously dan has a life at the

1251
00:42:35,109 --> 00:42:32,640
weekend so i can't just drag that away

1252
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:35,119
from doing stuff at very peculiar times

1253
00:42:38,390 --> 00:42:36,720
as well however

1254
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:38,400
we've not skipped a beat in that time we

1255
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,079
might have had a few shows we normally

1256
00:42:43,750 --> 00:42:41,520
would have put out like breakdowns or

1257
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:43,760
news updates but we'll be making up to

1258
00:42:47,670 --> 00:42:45,839
you so you've had the the breaking news

1259
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:47,680
pod already this week and you've got

1260
00:42:52,550 --> 00:42:50,480
this now a tear in the sky review

1261
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,560
previously the jeremy corbell audio has

1262
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,880
come out and next week you've got the

1263
00:42:58,630 --> 00:42:57,040
gary nolan interview coming out as well

1264
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:58,640
so there's plenty to come and keep you

1265
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:00,560
going over the next couple of weeks and

1266
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,280
hopefully then hopefully after the 17th

1267
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,960
of may we can talk about those

1268
00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:06,960
congressional hearings and anything that

1269
00:43:09,750 --> 00:43:08,800
may have come out off the back of those

1270
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,760
as well

1271
00:43:15,750 --> 00:43:12,240
i'd say keep an eye out on social media

1272
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,760
because myself vinnie and sean rash are

1273
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:17,520
going to be doing a live watch along of

1274
00:43:20,309 --> 00:43:18,880
those hearings we'll see how long we

1275
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,319
last we're in a couple of different time

1276
00:43:24,309 --> 00:43:22,480
zones we'll have coffee and popcorn um

1277
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,319
and yeah we'll be kind of just watching

1278
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,400
and helping process this quite frankly

1279
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,839
historic moment

1280
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,480
sure and completely unrelated but i will

1281
00:43:34,790 --> 00:43:32,800
be totally unavailable on the 18th of

1282
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,800
may if you're a football fan you will

1283
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,440
know why so until then dan thanks for

1284
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,839
your time thank you and we'll speak to

1285
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,880
you soon

1286
00:43:44,950 --> 00:43:42,960
that is all for this week's show thank

1287
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:44,960
you very much for listening please

1288
00:43:49,589 --> 00:43:47,119
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1289
00:43:51,910 --> 00:43:49,599
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1290
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,920
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1291
00:43:55,990 --> 00:43:53,839
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00:43:57,510 --> 00:43:56,000
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1293
00:43:59,990 --> 00:43:57,520
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00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:00,000
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00:44:04,950 --> 00:44:02,720
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1296
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:04,960
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00:44:10,950 --> 00:44:07,760
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1298
00:44:13,109 --> 00:44:10,960
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1299
00:44:16,070 --> 00:44:13,119
and again folks as always keep looking

1300
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:16,080
up you never know what you might see

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00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:46,050
i don't think he expected me

1302
00:44:46,060 --> 00:44:52,230
[Music]

1303
00:45:18,550 --> 00:44:53,670
i can't imagine how it could have been

1304
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:31,580
they thought it was a dream

1305
00:45:31,590 --> 00:45:39,750
[Music]

1306
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:46,900
and she

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00:46:23,589 --> 00:45:51,349
[Music]

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00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:23,599
it wasn't a tic tac and not quite a

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00:46:34,750 --> 00:46:25,810
saucer